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Big Poppa Machismo said:

I already acknowledged that Cena has been WWE's top drawing card for the last several years but I also said that he's only been WWE's top draw for so long because they refuse to give the top spot to anybody else, which is fact.

That's because no one else has proven themselves to be the ticket seller and merch mover that Cena has been so consistently over the last decade.

They could've put anybody else in Cena's position for the last 10 years and pushed and shoved them down our throats as much as they have done Cena and they still would've drawn his numbers.


Wrestlers with the whole package (1) That's 100% bullshit. Based on your logic I guess Mankind could have drawn the numbers Austin and Rock did since apparently WWE can force just anyone on the fan base.

You act like WWE wouldn't have survived, bought the WWE Network etc. without Cena all these years, yes they would have.

Maybe, but they wouldn't have done as good of business with anyone else as the face of the company other than Cena.

Cena as a top draw is a farce especially with all this longevity crap being added to it.

If you can accept longevity being tied to the drawing power of guys like Hogan and Flair, then you can accept it for Cena, because the same benefits they reaped being able to draw for so many years he does too.

And what positives have come with it, making top babyfaces hated, making wrestling uncool and giving it a bad rep? That's Cena's impact on the business.

Cena isn't the first babyface to receive a polarizing reaction or to be an unpopular choice in the eyes of fans. Ever heard of Dory Funk Jr and Bob Backlund? Like Cena they were also tremendous drawing cards over the course of many years despite being unfavorable choices. Fans can claim that they don't like Cena, but the numbers that reflect monetary value show something different.

That's exactly and the only thing longevity is, length of career

So you'd agree that Gypsy Joe is the greatest ever since he wrestled like 6 decades.

It's got absolutely nothing to do with monetary values, that's just some dumb shit you have made up here.

Yes it does. It's not my fault that you are too stupid to see the correlation. Pro wrestling is a business. Wrestlers exist to make money. Why would longevity measure anything but a wrestlers ability to draw or retain their marketability over a given amount of time?

You want to give Austin and Rock the most credit because they hold records for drawing the most big gates in a short amount of time [1 year,] but yet neither were able to sustain that level of popularity and appeal for a prolonged period of time. Like Hogan, Flair, Thesz, and Cena.

I'd gladly put the 2 years Austin was a dominant draw and the 1 that Rock was up against the last 8 that Cena has been. Or the 20 that Hogan, Flair, Andre, and Sammartino were consistently drawing sellouts.

If you want to factor in drawing power, that's fine, but don't lump it in with longevity.

Why, because it hurts your argument? Who cares.

Austin and Rock were bigger drawing cards than Cena's entire run in those singles years, which is far more impressive and makes longevity irrelevant when discussing drawing power.


Wrestlers with the whole package (2) No, they weren't.

Cena has been there for 10 years, big whoop. No one cares. If The Rock were there for 10 more years, he would've been WWE's top draw instead and drew much more than Cena has.

And in that time span he's headlined more PPV's than Rock and Austin combined, including 5 Wrestlemania's. You are a Cena hater. You refuse to acknowledge Cena's contributions and his drawing power, marketability, and sustained appeal of the last 8 years because it hurts your argument, and would force you to reconsider just how successful Austin and Rock truly were in the 1-2 years they were dominant draws.

Claiming that Austin or Rock drew more in 1 year than Cena did in 8 is not only monumentally stupid, but also impossible.

And no I wouldn't agree Gypsy Joe was the greatest wrestler of all time as longevity means nothing, it's all about the impact you make on the business whether you're there for a long time or a short time.

If longevity measured length of career that is, but it doesn't. As established. And Cena has brought in more money to the WWE in 8 years than Austin or Rock did in 1.

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